Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Obama Deserves No Credit for the Oil and Gas Boom

From Warren Meyer in Forbes (ht/Morganovich): 

"The one person who deserves no credit for this [oil and gas] boom is Barack Obama.  In fact, this Administration has bent over backwards to make oil and gas production and exploration as difficult as possible. According to the Institute for Energy Research (IER), the Obama Administration has been issuing BLM oil and gas leases at the lowest pace of any president in the last 30 years  – in fact at half the rate of the Clinton White House and 80% slower than in the Reagan era, dragging their feet to please the environmental lobby (see top chart above).

By comparing oil and gas production on Federal vs. state and private lands, we can get a true read on this Administration’s energy policy. Since Obama took office, according to the Institute for Energy Research, oil production has fallen precipitously on Federal onshore and offshore leases, while it has increased by an even larger amount on state and private lands largely outside of this Administration’s reach. The only reason total oil [and gas] production has increased since Obama took office is because private companies on state and private lands have increased production enough to offset the large drop that has occurred in Obama-controlled producing regions. Obama’s taking credit for the current oil and gas boom ranks up there in the pantheon of great political whoppers right next to Al Gore’s invention of the Internet."

MP: The bottom chart above shows that the share of total natural gas production taking place on federally administered land fell to 20% in 2010, the lowest share in at least 35 years. 

47 Comments:

At 1/25/2012 3:41 PM, Blogger PeakTrader said...

"Obama Deserves No Credit for the Oil and Gas Boom"

Yet, he deserves credit for falling income:

Americans' Access To Basic Needs Hits Recession Lows As Income Growth Slows
12/14/11

"Between December 2007 and June 2009, U.S. incomes fell 3.2 percent, while during the recovery between June 2009 and June 2011 incomes dropped 6.7 percent, a recent study from former Census Bureau officials found."

 
At 1/25/2012 4:17 PM, Blogger kmg said...

One correction :

'Bush 42' is actually 'Bush 43'.

#42 was WJC.

 
At 1/25/2012 4:20 PM, Blogger juandos said...

Well even the AP has gotten into the game of fisking Obama...

FACT CHECK: Obama pushes plans that flopped before

WASHINGTON (AP) - It was a wish list, not a to-do list...

Ooh! Now that's got to sting!

 
At 1/25/2012 4:32 PM, Blogger PeakTrader said...

If Obama wants more money to squander, he needs to put Americans to work in oil fields, with lots of overtime.

 
At 1/25/2012 4:54 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

geeze... got a collaborating source?

IER funded by Koch Industries?

you're kidding right?

how about a non-partisan source to verify what the Koch boys are cooking up here?

The head knocker used to work for Exxon and write speeches for Ken Lay?

what the...

so how about a more objective source of info?

Remember that guy Cheney? Word is he did everything he could to open up Federal lands yet the chart shows Bush leased even less than Clinton.

Forgive me for not swallowing what the Koch Boys blather as the truth from on high...

;-)

walk, talks, and smells like yet more right wing echo chamber blather.

 
At 1/25/2012 4:59 PM, Blogger Jon Murphy said...

I don't fully understand how the whole process works, so question:

The Federal Government only controls permits for federal lands? If a company owns the land, they do not need a permit to drill?

 
At 1/25/2012 5:09 PM, Blogger Junkyard_hawg1985 said...

Larry,

Great ad hominem attack. You don't like the data, attack the Koch brothers rather than present data showing the chart is wrong. Did you bother to open the link that professor Perry provided? Those pesky Koch brothers provided links to the government documents where they got the data.

 
At 1/25/2012 5:17 PM, Blogger Paul said...

Larry finds it hard to believe Obama, fresh off cancelling the Keystone pipeline, is not good for the oil and gas industry. This would be the same President of the illegal drilling moratorium in the gulf. The same guy who declared enormous swaths of the United States off limits to drilling forever. The same guy who relentlessly attacks oil companies and wants to take away from them the legitimate credits and deductions that are available to all businesses.

Larry is skeptical and blames the Koch brothers. Larry is an idiot.

 
At 1/25/2012 5:47 PM, Blogger morganovich said...

larry-

that comment is a joke.

the data in the IER chart come straight from the federal government. check the BLM site cited under the chart.

oh, you didn't bother to even look at the sourcing before you ran your mouth? what a surprise.

how about the chart under it from the EIA? (another government agency)

seriously, why do you waste our time with this nonsense and ad hominem? you could easily have answered your own question by just clicking on the chart. you'd know it was federal bureau of land management data.

instead, you knee jerk into "it's all lies! koch! koch!" and make yourself look like a fool.

 
At 1/25/2012 5:52 PM, Blogger morganovich said...

jon-

"The Federal Government only controls permits for federal lands? If a company owns the land, they do not need a permit to drill?"

it's a good question, and i'm not sure i understand it fully, but here is what i do know:

first off, they are talking about leases, not permits. the federal government offers leases on parcels of land. you need one to be able to explore, drill, etc.

i am not sure if that also gives you a defacto permit. i think you need further permissions as companies with leases in the gulf of mexico had their rights to drill taken away after the bp spill. this would seem to imply that there is another layer of permitting on top, but i'm not really clear on how it works exactly.

vangel may know. he seems to do a lot of work on oil and gas.

 
At 1/25/2012 5:52 PM, Blogger Dave said...

A little off topic--excuse me.
Prof Perry :
No credit indeed !
The Buffett Tax is in the news today. I'd like your opinion on how this could affect the KOCH Bros and other drilling entrepreneurs/risk takers.
also-wouldn't this kill the MUNI Bond mkt and the cities who depend on the lower yields due to tax breaks for buyers. Thks, Dave

 
At 1/25/2012 6:05 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

@junkyard..

hey guy.. it's not ad Hominem to point out that a source is biased and ask for a second source.

like this:

Oil and gas leases on public lands up 20 percent in 2011, feds say

 
At 1/25/2012 6:16 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

" Larry finds it hard to believe Obama, fresh off cancelling the Keystone pipeline, is not good for the oil and gas industry. This would be the same President of the illegal drilling moratorium in the gulf."

I thought they were still drilling in the gulf, no?

" The same guy who declared enormous swaths of the United States off limits to drilling forever."

how about here: " the numbers for 2011 include a lease sale in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve-Alaska in December."

"The same guy who relentlessly attacks oil companies and wants to take away from them the legitimate credits and deductions that are available to all"

still trying to ascertain that one.. might be true...

but forgive me guys for not swallowing what the ring wing echo chamber spits out...

here's their source:

energy information administration, annual energy review, Table 14

year? link? typical right wing sourcing

here's what I found:

http://205.254.135.24/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/aer.pdf

I would say they are not exactly trying to make it easy to get the data...but then that's pretty typical for these clearly biased groups.

if someone has the right chart... I'd appreciate it but no.. I'm not going to buy Koch Brothers data without a collaborating source.

 
At 1/25/2012 7:05 PM, Blogger arbitrage789 said...

"Obama Deserves No Credit for the Oil and Gas Boom"
______________________

Quite true.

But that won't stop him from claiming credit anyway; at least half the voters will believe him.

 
At 1/25/2012 7:22 PM, Blogger Ron H. said...

"Oil and gas leases on public lands up 20 percent in 2011, feds say"

Heh! Your source is a blogger for "Fuel Fix" with no references? Good work.

Did you find the EIA to be a biased source?

Do you understand the difference between leases and production? How about average per year during a presidential term as opposed to a yoy change?

You are a mess.

 
At 1/25/2012 7:54 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

oh don't get your panties wadded...

http://www.lmoga.com/news/oil-and-gas-leases-on-public-lands-up-20-percent-in-2011-feds-say/

read the whole article and you'll see the industry is pissed that they're also talking about increasing the royalties.

there are some other issues.

differences between leases.. and development of leased lands...

leases have trended down for a while including under Bush...

but no.. the Koch boys are not known for their objective views.

and like others in the RWEC - they love to twist information and spew disinformation and they're good at it but using them as a credible, unbiased source of information is just plain silly.

Even then.. if there is a corroborating second source, I'll accept it..but not from just a single source like the Koch boys.. nor all the right wing nut sites that parrot their blather.

you can take something the Koch or Heritage or Cato puts out... put quotes around it and watch the dozens of like-minded sites parroting the blather.

the left wing does it also..

I like MR. Ronald Reagan's approach: "Trust but verify" and if it is the Koch brothers... distrust until you verify.

 
At 1/25/2012 8:15 PM, Blogger Ron H. said...

"read the whole article and you'll see the industry is pissed that they're also talking about increasing the royalties."

Yes, I did read the whole article. It's very short. The source of your cite is...a blogger at Fuel Fix with no references. It's copied word for word.

The industry being pissed is not relevant to the subject of decreasing production on federal land.

How about the EIA? Are they a right wing blather butt site?

 
At 1/25/2012 8:28 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

It was word for word... I do not know what the original source was but it appeared they were quoting Govt officials at interior.

I trust the EIA .. yes do you? it's the govt after all right? I thought you believed that the govt lies...

.. but I could not find the material that was provided as a source... did you?

" energy information administration, annual energy review, Table 14"

no date.. but I could not find Table 14 either.

if you want to reference a source... why not give the explicit link and the page number?

I've gone through this with Heritage, Cato, etc.. where they give a source but tracking it down is often futile.

I don't have that problem with credible sites.. they gladly give you the reference and make it easy to get to it.

 
At 1/25/2012 9:08 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"how about a non-partisan source to verify what the Koch boys are cooking up here?"...

What proof do you have that Koch is partisan?

Fighting the leftist slander isn't partisan...

"The head knocker used to work for Exxon and write speeches for Ken Lay?"...

Well you don't have a problem that the present clown in the Oval Office was a parasite and part of the CRA problem, so why are you bothered by a speech writer?

"Word is..."...

What's the federal government doing owning land in the first place? Where is that in the Constitution?

Just how credible was that supposed word in the first place?

"walk, talks, and smells like yet more right wing echo chamber blather"...

Walk, talks, and smells like a whining, clueless libtard...

Are you happy now that you got some more attention larry g?

 
At 1/25/2012 9:10 PM, Blogger Ron H. said...

"It was word for word... I do not know what the original source was but it appeared they were quoting Govt officials at interior."

It "appeared"? Is that good enough for you? Unless you are very familiar with Puneet Kollipara, And I seriously doubt that you are, I would expect you to require some actual sources. He may be a right wing blather butt, for all you know.

But how about the difference between production and number of leases? That was my question.

How about the difference between average number if leases per presidential administration, vs yoy change from 2010 to 2011, which is what you are citing?

 
At 1/25/2012 9:20 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

" What proof do you have that Koch is partisan?

Fighting the leftist slander isn't partisan..."

you're a HOOT Juandos!

re: " Lease sales on federal lands grew 20 percent in 2011, and the Interior Department is considering raising the royalties on oil and gas produced on such leases, a federal official said Tuesday.

In 32 lease sales last year, the Bureau of Land Management brought in $256 million on sales of 1,296 parcels of land, up from $213 million in 2010 on sales of 1,090 parcels, the Interior Department said. Deputy Interior Secretary David Hayes told reporters the numbers for 2011 include a lease sale in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve-Alaska in December."

they're quoting Federal officials here... talking to reporters...

several papers covered the event or read the news release...

I do not think it is bogus...

Oil and gas leases on public lands up 20 percent in 2011, feds say

 
At 1/25/2012 9:22 PM, Blogger Paul said...

Larry,

"I thought they were still drilling in the gulf, no?"

Yes,the illegal moratorium is over at great cost to the industry, and Obama is slowly giving out leases again.

"how about here: " the numbers for 2011 include a lease sale in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve-Alaska in December."

Good, that doesn't negate what I said.

"still trying to ascertain that one.. might be true..."

How on earth can you be unsure of this? He demonizes the oil companies and calls for raising their taxes on a regular basis, includin g his SOTU last night.

Obama is the President who promised to make electricity prices "skyrocket." His Energy Secretary said he wanted to get gas prices to the level of Europe. Obama's response to "Drill Baby, Drill" was "put more air in your tires."

 
At 1/25/2012 9:34 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

" Obama is the President who promised to make electricity prices "skyrocket." His Energy Secretary said he wanted to get gas prices to the level of Europe. Obama's response to "Drill Baby, Drill" was "put more air in your tires."

uh huh... wanna show me NOT out of context or do you prefer the Koch method? ;-)


so Obama is INCREASING the leases, eh?

I thought Perry/Koch said they were decreasing?

gee ..just WHO can we trust to tell the truth here?

 
At 1/25/2012 9:39 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"you're a HOOT Juandos!"...

So are you when you whine about the Koch brothers larry g...

Still you're dodging the question as usual...

 
At 1/25/2012 9:50 PM, Blogger Don Culo said...

Obama does NOT deserve credit for anything positive about our country !!!

He can only do wrong, he is the devil !!!

 
At 1/25/2012 9:52 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

" Still you're dodging the question as usual."

about the koch brothers being partisans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Prosperity

http://mediamattersaction.org/transparency/organization/Americans_for_Prosperity_Foundation/funders

Herman Cain's long ties to Koch Brothers

 
At 1/25/2012 10:12 PM, Blogger Bobby Caygeon said...

How is it partisan to put money behind the free market system, especially one that has led this country to become the most prosperous of all civilizations?

From what I can tell the Kochs are just partisans against idiots peddling self destruction. No harm in that.

 
At 1/25/2012 10:16 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"uh huh... wanna show me NOT out of context or do you prefer the Koch method..."

Seriously, your level of knowledge about Obama is shocking.. Both Obama's and Chu's remarks are infamous, but you are unaware. Explains alot.

"so Obama is INCREASING the leases, eh?"

I don't even know what you're talking about there.

 
At 1/25/2012 10:17 PM, Blogger Paul said...

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At 1/25/2012 10:21 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"about the koch brothers being partisans?"

And then you link to the Soros sponsored, left-wing sewer that is Media Matters. Way to prove your case, Larry.

I don't think most people would dispute the Koch brothers are anti-Obama. He's a committed socialist, the Koch brothers are for pro-freedom. None of that means Dr Perry's chart is wrong. Anyone half-paying attention(obviously that excludes you) to Obama's actions can see he is anti-oil.

 
At 1/25/2012 10:30 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

well Paul.. you're one for two.

the video did show what you said

but the quote ALSO had this:

" But Mr. Obama has dismissed the idea of boosting the federal gasoline tax, a move energy experts say could be the single most effective step to promote alternative energies and temper demand. Mr. Obama said Sunday that a heightened gas tax would be a "mistake" because it would put "additional burdens on American families right now."

this is par for the course for you anti-types... you blamed Obama..then sneakily quoted someone else and Obama forthrightly rejected the idea.

why do you guys do this?

it's like you have to lie...and misrepresent ....

it's not something I'd be proud of if I were you.

All politicians make statements they later regret... I can show you a slew of them for Bush.

the real point is what did they actually DO?

electricity rates have NOT skyrocketed and Obama has nothing to do with gas prices...

but you boys just gotta keep up the drumbeat of lies... don't you?

ya'll are going to be in a heap of trouble if the man gets re-elected, eh?

 
At 1/25/2012 11:40 PM, Blogger Texas_Engineer said...

The real issue that everyone on this list is ignoring is that there is no oil boom in the U.S. That is an oil investment newsletter spin.

Here is the link to the EIA website showing oil production (crude plus NG liquids)since 1951. If you consider that small blip upward in 2010 is a boom you are really desperate for good news.

http://www.eia.gov/energy_in_brief/images/charts/Consumption_production_import_trends-large.jpg

 
At 1/26/2012 9:57 AM, Blogger morganovich said...

".. but I could not find the material that was provided as a source... did you?"

then you didn't look. they gave you the link to the BLS right on the chart.

militant stupidity is not a viewpoint larry.

trying to shift the issue to the koch brothers' views as opposed to the actual data is just a way to hide the fact that you are wrong.

i believe in free trade. that does not mean that any free trade data i present is wrong. sure, check it. be sure, but claiming it's untrue just because i an a free trade supporter is just more of your horrendous illogic and rattle headed argument.

every time i think you have plumbed the depths of stupidity, straw men, and illogic, you surprise me and show me that it can get worse.

 
At 1/26/2012 9:59 AM, Blogger morganovich said...

sorry, BLM, not BLS.

but again, larry, if you spent 10% of the time you spend spouting nonsense just checking the sources that are already linked in the data, perhaps you'd stop embarrassing yourself.

 
At 1/26/2012 12:26 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

@morg - I tried to follow their link morg... was not successful... it's not a link.. it has no date and the only way that I knew how to track it was by the title which I found but not the table.

I did look.

At the same time, the number of leases DID increase in 2011 which was not reported which I find fairly typical with these kinds of biased groups. They select out data ...cherry-pick.. out of context to misrepresent the reality.

If you bothered to read the DOI link..you would have discovered why the trend was down in the last few years, including Bush and that this administration has apparently taken some actions to increase the leases.

but you'd not get much of that from the folks that gave that report because their goal is not to present an objective picture to begin with and folks like you are only too glad to swallow whatever propaganda they dump...because you too apparently don't care if it is biased.

I spent the time Morg and the truth is that there is a shit-load of biased information promoted here in CD and few of you seem really interested in the facts but only the talking points you like against the current administration.

I'm not defending this administration. They have their problems but what you guys do it is simply over the top..you're basically part of the right wing echo chamber...

there are a few here that have scruples and integrity. I'd be remiss for not recognizing them.

 
At 1/26/2012 12:58 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"well Paul.. you're one for two.

the video did show what you said"

Then I'm 2 for 2. I'm actually correct on all the other things I mentioned in this thread you can't dispute, but looks like you found a string to pull....

"but the quote ALSO had this,,"

So what? I didn't say he wanted to raise the gas tax, that would cost him more politcally. That's not how an Alinskyite operates. He didn't succeed in ramming through cap and trade, I don't give him credit for that. You do.

"you blamed Obama..then sneakily quoted someone else and Obama forthrightly rejected the idea."

Huh? Steven Chu said he wants gas to go up to European levels. He is Obama's choice for Energy Secretary. Obama wants electricity prices to skyrocket. This is indisputable, so what are you babbling about? It's not hard to look at the totality of Obama's actions and figure out what he's trying to do, especially when it comes straight out of his own mouth. But you'd rather demonstrate how dumb you are by making asinine statements about the Koch brothers.

Again, the thing I find most astounding is you comment here regularly, yet you didn't even know about Obama's plans for electricity. Perhaps you were too busy looking down your nose at Sarah Palin to pay attention to the human wrecking ball you helped saddle the country.

"it's like you have to lie...and misrepresent ...."

You haven't uncovered a single lie. You're now just trying to distract from your own ignorance.

"electricity rates have NOT skyrocketed.."

Obama wasn't able to ram his ideas through on this front. Only you would be dumb enough give him credit.

"..and Obama has nothing to do with gas prices..."

You understand where gas comes from? His jihad is against fossil fuels.

"..ya'll are going to be in a heap of trouble if the man gets re-elected, eh?"

Everyone will be in trouble, even the freeloaders who vote for him.

 
At 1/26/2012 1:02 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"At the same time, the number of leases DID increase in 2011"

YOY, so what? What's the overall trend?

"their goal is not to present an objective picture to begin with and folks like you are only too glad to swallow whatever propaganda they dump...because you too apparently don't care if it is biased."

And so you link to the George Soros smear artists at Media Matters to demonstrate how it's done.

"I'm not defending this administration."

That's your biggest howler yet. All you do is here defend this nitwit President.

 
At 1/26/2012 1:10 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

George Bush once said he was VERY CONCERNED that Al Gore wanted to get into "Nation Building" - remember that?

and Mr. Cheney ... told the Treasury Secretary that "deficits don't matter, Reagan proved it".

My point is that all politicians say idiotic stuff that they later regret. ALL OF THEM!

It's not what the say - it's what they do.

Bush said one thing and did another.

Cheney did his thing.

Obama has his dumb statements too.

But Obama has not "skyrocketed" electricity prices.. he has acknowledged that there is great disagreement on GW and cap & trade as has his Energy Secretary.

The point about this particular article is that it does not tell the truth and that was my complaint.

And you do not seem to care about the truth either.. as long as it serves you anti-Obama bias.

I acknowledge when I am wrong here.

I have trouble doing that. I want to learn..and I recognize that I am ignorant on a wide variety of things.

but what you don't recognize is that you too have similar issues.

we all do.

we all know less that we think we do.

but you should want to seek the truth about the issues.

no matter whether that truth contradicts your own beliefs or not.

you have and I .. everyone have a duty to do that.

otherwise.. you're just another yapper in the herd.

 
At 1/26/2012 1:32 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"Obama has his dumb statements too."

Any evidence Obama regrets his previous desire to make electricy prices skyrocket? Last I checked, he's still on the cap and trade bandwagon. Failing that, his radical EPA will do it through the backdoor. I look at the totality of his record to figure out what he's trying to do. All you can do is try and dispute indisputable facts in order to defend his wretched regime.

"..and I recognize that I am ignorant on a wide variety of things."

I'm glad you've at least come around to understanding what the rest of here figured out a long time ago.

 
At 1/26/2012 3:35 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

Headline: " Obama Seeks Tax Break for Natural-Gas Trucks, Oil Lease Sale"

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-26/obama-seeks-tax-break-for-natural-gas-trucks-oil-lease-sale.html

bad bad Obama!

 
At 1/26/2012 5:22 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"But Obama has not "skyrocketed" electricity prices.. he has acknowledged that there is great disagreement on GW and cap & trade as has his Energy Secretary."...

Really?!?!

Maybe we should ask those poor fools in California and the rest of us for that matter...

From Zer0Hedge on the further adventures in venture socialism: Another Sweet deal for Buffett – Who pays? You do!

Summary:
-Buffett gets another sweetheart deal that makes him richer.

-PGE gets a long-term supply of alternative energy that allows them to grow for a few more decades.

-First Solar gets out of a huge headache. It gets get to sell solar panels to Topaz.

-The citizens of California that will use this power will get nothing. They will continue to pay the highest rates for electricity in the country.

-The US tax payers foot the bill for another $600 - $700mm. That's the "Vig" for Warren. Those taxpayers also get nothing in return.

"Headline: " Obama Seeks Tax Break for Natural-Gas Trucks, Oil Lease Sale"...

Yeah, Obama knows its an election year...

 
At 1/26/2012 5:27 PM, Blogger Mkelley said...

I love this statement by socialist Democrat Jan Schakowski:

http://tv.breitbart.com/schakowsky-20000-keystone-jobs-not-that-many/
The Democrat Party is totally controlled by the Sierra Club and their ilk. I am hoping for $5 a gallon gas this summer just to hear the media make excuses for Obama and company.

 
At 1/26/2012 8:12 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

I love the way these fools think:

" It’s important to understand that Uncle Warren has a seat at this table because the Department of Energy failed to approve a big loan to Topaz prior to 9/30/2011 (the deadline to get federal subsidies). The DOE did substantial work before nixing the deal. This PDF link to the DOE shows just how much had been accomplished prior to 9/30. (How much did this report cost the DOE/us? Many millions.)"

so.. the DOE does the due diligence and turns down the deal so what do the anti-Obama folks do?

of course.. they then blame the costs of the study on the govt!

:-)

so the govt is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

and then somehow.. because Buffet got into the deal... it's the govt fault also.

we're deep, deep into looney tunes here...

 
At 1/27/2012 10:17 AM, Blogger juandos said...

Well of course larry g starts of with flawed logic: "so.. the DOE does the due diligence and turns down the deal so what do the anti-Obama folks do?"...

Why is there a DOE in the first place? What does the DOE actually accomplish besides being a burden on the productive?

"of course.. they then blame the costs of the study on the govt!"...

So you have no problem with the rampant incompetence and the possible credibility problems that is endemic to all federal bureaucratic interference, right?

"and then somehow.. because Buffet got into the deal... it's the govt fault also"...

Ahhh, can you say crony capitalism?

"we're deep, deep into looney tunes here"...

Liberal looney tunes for sure...

 
At 1/27/2012 12:37 PM, Blogger LakeLevel said...

Hey Larry, why do you link to Media Matters? don't you know they are a tool of BIG OIL? George Soros, who controls Media Matters and MoveOn et. al., has huge stakes in Petrobas and natural gas. Stop being a tool of BIG OIL Larry.

 
At 1/27/2012 12:51 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

Media Matters? Big Oil? Who knew?

 
At 1/27/2012 1:17 PM, Blogger DWPittelli said...

I hate to defend Al Gore on anything. But at least Al Gore wasn't doing his best to shut down the nascent internet.

 

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