Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Tuesday Night Roundup: Ten Links

1. Markets in Everything: NFL online courses for ejected fans and a West Hollywood restaurant that offers a 5% discount on your meal if you leave your phone with the receptionist.

2. The Billion Prices Project @ MIT updated daily prices for July, showing that annual inflation continues to decline, falling to 1.20% through the end of July.  Inflation is dead.  At least for now. Related article from NPR, "Everybody Always Thinks Inflation Is Higher Than It Really Is."

3. The American Chemistry Council recently introduced the Chemical Activity Barometer (CAB) - a leading economic indicator based on chemical industry activity.  The August CAB increased by 0.4% from July and by 1.1% from a year ago. This is the second monthly increase in the CAB, and follows upward revisions for June and July, suggesting slow economic growth for the rest of the year.  We've heard that before.

4. Boston Market announced today that it will remove all salt shakers from tables at all 476 locations, and will roll out reduced-sodium menu items in the coming months.  Was Mayor Bloomberg involved?

5. 3D printing updates: a) A 3D printed bikini is the world's first clothing made from a 3D printer and b) bicycle companies are now 3D printing prototype bikes.

6. California has a 10.7% jobless rate but a shortage of farm labor so serious that it's being described as the "worst it's ever been." Number of local residents applying for the farm jobs? None.  

7. D’oh! The U.S. Post Office is Stuck with 682 million unsold Simpsons stamps and a $1.2 million printing bill.

8. Post Office vs. Amtrak: Who wins the title for the most wasteful government agency? Find out here. Hint: They might not have accounted for the unsold Simpsons stamps.


10. Layoffs mount at U.S. wind power manufacturing plants as the production tax credit for wind nears its expiration. Another greendoggle for an energy source that can't survive without massive taxpayer life support.

48 Comments:

At 8/21/2012 7:12 PM, Blogger aorod said...

I would wager that Boston Market's food is already loaded with sodium as is Olive Garden.

 
At 8/21/2012 7:40 PM, Blogger PeakTrader said...

"California...shortage of farm labor...Number of local residents applying for the farm jobs? None."

It's easier to collect government benefits and panhandle.

There are millions of Californians who'd benefit from a season of hard work.

 
At 8/21/2012 7:43 PM, Blogger PeakTrader said...

Instead, the people who work in California have to work harder to support the people who don't work.

 
At 8/21/2012 7:51 PM, Blogger PeakTrader said...

Unskilled labor should be paid $15 an hour and pay $5 an hour in taxes :)

 
At 8/21/2012 7:55 PM, Blogger Methinks said...

I know you're generally optimistic, Mark. I'm not un-optimistic about the world in general, but I sure hope everything goes to hell again right before the election.

It'll reduce Obama's re-election chances and although I don't expect big changes with Mitler (as my husband calls him), I just can't take four more years of staring up the current asshole's nostrils as he lectures us from the teleprompter that it is he and not we who are responsible for what we've created.

 
At 8/21/2012 7:56 PM, Blogger Aiken_Bob said...

With the CA story it is getting real difficult to feel any pity for the folks there.

 
At 8/21/2012 8:15 PM, Blogger PeakTrader said...

I've noticed inequality, in the form of living standards, is huge in California and the middle class suffers the most.

It's the complete opposite of what government says it's trying to achieve.

 
At 8/21/2012 8:16 PM, Blogger Mark J. Perry said...

Methinks: I totally understand!

 
At 8/21/2012 8:25 PM, Blogger Hell_Is_Like_Newark said...

Cut off: Section 8, EBT cards, Medicade, WIC, Food Stamps, and the earned income tax credit... I bet those farming jobs would get lots of applicants.

 
At 8/21/2012 9:26 PM, Blogger Jon Murphy said...

Number 9 on your list, I think, is important (smartphone penetration).

It really shows how far we've come in such a short time and how cheap these phones have become.

I mean, if this isn't spot on evidence against stagnation, then I don't know what is.

Not only that, but we have computing power in our pockets.

Technology is amazing, isn't it?

 
At 8/21/2012 11:39 PM, Blogger Che is dead said...

"I don't expect big changes with Mitler (as my husband calls him) ..." -- Methinks

Mitler? Let's see, that would be a reference to ....?

Oh, I get it, Republicans = Nazis. Romney = Hitler. Clever. And original too.

I'll bet that jokes like that went over big in the gulag.

 
At 8/22/2012 6:20 AM, Blogger marmico said...

be fixed by higher demand in the form of higher wages

California agricultural workers are not paid wages. They are piece work subcontractors.

 
At 8/22/2012 7:52 AM, Blogger VangelV said...

Mitler? Let's see, that would be a reference to ....?

Oh, I get it, Republicans = Nazis. Romney = Hitler. Clever. And original too.

I'll bet that jokes like that went over big in the gulag.


Sadly, both candidates have a lot in common with National Socialists.

 
At 8/22/2012 7:53 AM, Blogger VangelV said...

There is no "labor shortage" in CA farms. There is supply and demand. I am sure whatever "shortage" exists could quickly be fixed by higher demand in the form of higher wages.

Actually, it can't be 'solved' by higher wages because consumers don't want to pay a lot for California grown fruits, nuts, and vegetables when there are alternative sources that are much cheaper.

 
At 8/22/2012 10:00 AM, Blogger Paul said...

Methinks,

Agreed about Obama. I have slightly higher hopes for Mitt given his Bain background and his gutsy pick for VP. Ryan is the best we can hope for, in my opinion.

 
At 8/22/2012 10:22 AM, Blogger VangelV said...

Agreed about Obama. I have slightly higher hopes for Mitt given his Bain background and his gutsy pick for VP. Ryan is the best we can hope for, in my opinion.

Really? Ryan is an insider who supported TARP, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, and the very expensive wars that have ruined the country's fiancees. He also proposed a budget that would produce deficits for another generation. If if a fake conservative like Ryan is the best that you can do the country is in a lot of trouble.

 
At 8/22/2012 10:57 AM, Blogger Paul said...

Vange,

"If if a fake conservative like Ryan is the best that you can do the country is in a lot of trouble."

You're right about the country being in trouble. I'd prefer deeper cuts from the Ryan budget, but there's no way to get elected if he cut entitlements for current seniors. His budget plans at least move in the right direction. I'll take him anyday over your chickenhawk hero Ron Paul who just sits in his House office loading up spending bills with pork and churning out conspiracy minded newsletters for his white supremacist followers.


 
At 8/22/2012 10:59 AM, Blogger VangelV said...

You're right about the country being in trouble. I'd prefer deeper cuts from the Ryan budget, but there's no way to get elected if he cut entitlements for current seniors. His budget plans at least move in the right direction. I'll take him anyday over your chickenhawk hero Ron Paul who just sits in his House office loading up spending bills with pork and churning out conspiracy minded newsletters for his white supremacist followers.

But why do you want to play, 'kick the can down the road' just so that your man could get elected? Let Obama win and drive the bus over the cliff so that people of principle are given a chance once the false choices are exposed for what they are. A fraud like Ryan, who is an insider and votes for bigger government while the talks a different game to get elected, is not good for the GOP or the voters.

 
At 8/22/2012 11:35 AM, Blogger Paul said...

"But why do you want to play, 'kick the can down the road' just so that your man could get elected?"

I reject your premise. Ryan's budget eventually moves federal spending down to 20% of GDP. Yeah, I want more, but Ryan's budget is as good as it's going to get until we convince more voters to elect more Tea Party Republicans.

"Let Obama win and drive the bus over the cliff.."

Only a Ron Paul supporter could formulate a crackpot strategy like that.

 
At 8/22/2012 11:45 AM, Blogger juandos said...

"I just can't take four more years of staring up the current asshole's nostrils as he lectures us from the teleprompter that it is he and not we who are responsible for what we've created"...

Well methinks speaking of telepromters you might want to take a squint at this Zero Hedge posting: Obama's Teleprompters

It ought to drive you nutz...:-)

 
At 8/22/2012 11:46 AM, Blogger Methinks said...

"Better" not "good", Paul. They play their games at our expense. We all know that.

Juandos, I don't think my husband really put a lot of thought into it. He thinks all politicians are basically little wannabe dictators and he just plucked one from history that rolled off the tongue easily when combined with "Mitt".

 
At 8/22/2012 11:47 AM, Blogger Methinks said...

Juandos, thanks.

Is it not obvious to you that I'm already nutz? I wait for Don Boudreaux, Russ Roberts, and Mark Perry to comment on political insanity because it's more tolerable filtered through them. I just can't watch the news anymore.

 
At 8/22/2012 2:05 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"I wait for Don Boudreaux, Russ Roberts, and Mark Perry to comment on political insanity because it's more tolerable filtered through them. I just can't watch the news anymore"...

Yeah methinks I think I know just about how you feel...

In fact in some ways it might be worse for me...

I'm not sure that I would believe in any of the broadcast news even if they were only attempting to report the time of day...

I've not been able to stomach the speakings of any president in large part due to LBJ...

Thankfully the transcripts are marginally easier to wade through...

 
At 8/22/2012 2:41 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

I reject your premise. Ryan's budget eventually moves federal spending down to 20% of GDP. Yeah, I want more, but Ryan's budget is as good as it's going to get until we convince more voters to elect more Tea Party Republicans.

No, Ryan's budget does nothing of the kind. The 20% of GDP is only valid if all of the assumptions are true. The problem is that they aren't and the only year that matters is the next budget year. On that front Ryan, who always voted for bigger government when it was his party that was calling the shots, fails miserably.

Only a Ron Paul supporter could formulate a crackpot strategy like that.

Not at all. A Romney victory would doom the GOP into irrelevancy as the economy collapses as the bond market gives out. As a result, the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs, and Federalists.

The fact is that nobody outside of a few wealthy donors is excited about a Romney victory. I suspect that was one of the reasons that he picked Ryan; nobody was showing up to his campaign stops. At a time when Ron Paul is filling hockey arenas and concert halls Romney is lucky to get enough people to fill a local Wendy's. The man has no charisma, is a total idiot when it comes to monetary policy and economics. In 2008 he was just as clueless as the other candidates who could not understand why Ron Paul would say that the economy was in danger of collapse even when it was obvious that the bubbles were ready to burst. Why would you want such a clueless fool to be the leader of your country?

 
At 8/22/2012 2:46 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

Juandos, I don't think my husband really put a lot of thought into it. He thinks all politicians are basically little wannabe dictators and he just plucked one from history that rolled off the tongue easily when combined with "Mitt".

Had he really put a lot of thought into it he probably would have come up with a similar conclusion. Both Romney and Obama have far more in common with National Socialists than they do to Classical Liberals. Both men believe that it is the role of government to work with the private sector to guide the economy. Neither man gives any time to the thought that an actual free market system would be better for individuals.

 
At 8/22/2012 3:49 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

I just can't watch the news anymore.

One of my friends came over from Taiwan because his company was going through a sales tax audit. As he was relaxing on my couch he tuned the TV to Russian Television. He kept watching for nearly an hour before he pointed out that RT was much better at talking about some of the real issues and world news than the BBC, CNN, or CNBC. Even on issues where there was obvious bias and some problems with balance it did not go much further to the left than MSNBC and on economic issues its programs tended to give people like Marc Faber, James Grant, Jim Rogers, Laurence Kotlikoff, Doug Casey, and other serious analysts quite a bit of time to explain things as they see it.

Fortunately, there are many independent sources that offer alternatives to the propaganda coming from the MSM.

 
At 8/22/2012 4:02 PM, Blogger Paul said...

Vange,

"The 20% of GDP is only valid if all of the assumptions are true. The problem is that they aren't and the only year that matters is the next budget year."

His budget cuts spending as % of GDP over the long term without raising taxes. That's indisputable. I'm not going to bother getting down in the weeds with you yet again on this while you spew your Lew Rockwell nutter talking points.

" At a time when Ron Paul is filling hockey arenas and concert halls Romney is lucky to get enough people to fill a local Wendy's."

And now the crowds are lining up to see Romney-Ryan while nobody outside of a Klan rally cares to see your chickenhawk hero.

"A Romney victory would doom the GOP into irrelevancy as the economy collapses as the bond market gives out."

You're saying a Romney/Ryan victory would cause the bond market to collapse? You're out of your mind.

 
At 8/22/2012 4:08 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"He kept watching for nearly an hour before he pointed out that RT was much better at talking about some of the real issues and world news than the BBC, CNN, or CNBC. "

Oh, surprise. Vange, who also likes to cite the communist Institute for Policy Studies, is cooing over another anti-American propaganda outlet funded by tyrants.

 
At 8/22/2012 4:40 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

His budget cuts spending as % of GDP over the long term without raising taxes. That's indisputable. I'm not going to bother getting down in the weeds with you yet again on this while you spew your Lew Rockwell nutter talking points.

It does nothing of the kind. His budget is only valid for one year, the next one. The spending is never cut. It goes up but he makes the assumption that it will go up less than the growth rate so that as a percentage of GDP the budget will wind up decreasing. There are no meaningful cuts by Ryan. He is simply playing the same Washington games and talking about cutting the spending increase.

And now the crowds are lining up to see Romney-Ryan while nobody outside of a Klan rally cares to see your chickenhawk hero.

First, Romney-Ryan continue to be a poor draw. Second, the last time I looked there were very few young people in the Clan. Third, Dr. Paul received more in donations from the men and women in the military than Romney and the other GOP candidates combined. Like Obama, Romney remains the favourite of big business and special interests looking for the government to grant them privileges. And no matter which one of the two idiots wins, voters will get exactly what they deserve.

 
At 8/22/2012 4:42 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

You're saying a Romney/Ryan victory would cause the bond market to collapse? You're out of your mind.

No. I am saying that the Fed will cause the bond market to collapse. Whoever is president will not matter much unless the person elected has the intelligence and the courage to do what must be done. Romney and Obama both fail on that front.

 
At 8/22/2012 4:44 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

Oh, surprise. Vange, who also likes to cite the communist Institute for Policy Studies, is cooing over another anti-American propaganda outlet funded by tyrants.

RT is certainly much better about telling the truth about American foreign policy and the actions of the Fed than the Fox/MSNBC/CNN/CBC/ABC/CBS or other MSM outlets. Sadly, some of their lefty commentators seem to be on the right of the people at CNBC and CNN.

 
At 8/22/2012 5:24 PM, Blogger Paul said...


"His budget is only valid for one year, the next one. The spending is never cut."

Nonsense. According to Peter Ferrara, "Ryan's budget actually cuts the total level of federal spending in nominal dollars for each of the first two years. Total federal spending actually declines from 2012 to 2013, and then declines again from 2013 to 2014. That would be the first and only time that has happened since the beginning of the Eisenhower Administration."

"First, Romney-Ryan continue to be a poor draw."

Lol, what lies! THey are drawing massive crowds now. Did you get this info from Russia Today?

"Second, the last time I looked there were very few young people in the Clan. "

Maybe, but pretty much every member of the Klan is a Ron Paul supporter.

"Third, Dr. Paul received more in donations from the men and women in the military than Romney and the other GOP candidates combined."

And when you look at the gross amount, it's not much at all. So, so what?

:RT is certainly much better about telling the truth about American foreign policy and the actions of the Fed than the Fox/MSNBC/CNN/CBC/ABC/CBS or other MSM outlets"

Ha, is the Kremlin's propaganda machine where you learned that the US gave Saddam tanks and automatic weapons? And that the only WMD's he ever had were given to the US? Or that Iran's elections were free and fair?

How about Al Jazeera? I bet they're an indispensable source.






 
At 8/22/2012 10:04 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

Nonsense. According to Peter Ferrara, "Ryan's budget actually cuts the total level of federal spending in nominal dollars for each of the first two years. Total federal spending actually declines from 2012 to 2013, and then declines again from 2013 to 2014. That would be the first and only time that has happened since the beginning of the Eisenhower Administration."

The Romney budget will not cut spending. Neither will Ryan's proposal because the off budget military spending will go up as the GOP gets involved in more conflicts in the Middle East and Central Asia and starts to rebuild bases in the South China Sea. The deficit will go up because the assumptions about factors like employment, disability payments, tax revenues, etc., have overestimated revenues and underestimated expenditures.

The only way out is to default either explicitly or to use inflation to reduce the liabilities. Either way American savers and retirees are screwed.

Lol, what lies! THey are drawing massive crowds now. Did you get this info from Russia Today?

No. It is common knowledge that during the primaries Romney had trouble drawing flies. That is one of the reasons he picked Ryan instead of similarly charisma challenged Pawlenty. Romney was even buying and setting up fake Twitter followers because nobody really cared much about what he had to say.

http://yfrog.com/hspldavxj

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5981973020_568b5c0f70.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5981973020_568b5c0f70.jpg

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2012/02/romney-bad-crowd-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg

Maybe, but pretty much every member of the Klan is a Ron Paul supporter.

Really? Since when are Klan members for small government, fiscal prudence, peace, the legalization of drugs, and individual liberty? The Klan used the legal system to disadvantage blacks and limit their choices. Ron Paul is in favour of eliminating that system. If you are so desperate to support your man that you persist in lying imagine how hard a time the independents will have voting for him. The more I look the more likely the election will be about who is the least vile and evil choice. How sad for a formerly great nation.

Ha, is the Kremlin's propaganda machine where you learned that the US gave Saddam tanks and automatic weapons?

Not at all. That was a well known fact long before RT became operational.

And that the only WMD's he ever had were given to the US?

The fact that the US gave Saddam chemical weapons to fight the Iranians has also been established. You don't need RT for that.

Or that Iran's elections were free and fair?

Where did they say that?

How about Al Jazeera? I bet they're an indispensable source.


It certainly did a better job on the CIA involvement with the drug trade than CNN or Fox. And unlike Fox, it did not try to make excuses about the CIA involvement in the Afghan drug trade.







 
At 8/23/2012 11:32 AM, Blogger Paul said...

"The Romney budget will not cut spending."

And yet your own chart validates my claim that spending is slated to go down, even slightly, under Ryan for the next 2 yrs. Suddently, the goal posts move and "his budget is only valid for one year, the next one" is no longer operative.

"...because the off budget military spending will go up as the GOP gets involved in more conflicts in the Middle East and Central Asia and starts to rebuild bases in the South China Sea."

Straight out of ass.

"No. It is common knowledge that during the primaries Romney had trouble drawing flies."

I didn't dispute this, as you know because you said "romney ryan continue to be a poor draw." THat turned out to be bullshit so now you're back to just Romney pre-Ryan.

"Really? Since when are Klan members for small government, fiscal prudence, peace, the legalization of drugs, and individual liberty?"

"Stormfront founder: Ron Paul’s views ‘coincide with ours’ on most issues"

I can't believe you even dispute this. You look like such a fool.

"That was a well known fact long before RT became operational."

Hahahaha, you're so ignorant. I thought you had been sufficiently embarrased by that remark by now. Show me the evidence Saddam had any tanks or automatic weapons(in any large quantity) given to him by the US. I was a medic in Desert Storm and travelled all through eastern Iraq and all of Kuwait. I saw mountains of tanks and weapons. Never saw a single US made tank or weapon.

"The fact that the US gave Saddam chemical weapons to fight the Iranians has also been established. You don't need RT for that."

That's not what you said. You really like to dissemble, don't you Vange? Saddam's WMD program was assembled from countries all over the globe.

"Where did they say that?"

YOU said it.

"It certainly did a better job on the CIA involvement with the drug trade than CNN or Fox."

So that answers the question. Pretty much everything you spew here regarding the US foreign policy is kooksville. Your master Ron Paul must be so proud.













 
At 8/23/2012 11:55 AM, Blogger Paul said...

Hey Vange,

If Putin's propaganda machine had been around before the Iraq war, this is what they would have told you.

 
At 8/23/2012 2:08 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

And yet your own chart validates my claim that spending is slated to go down, even slightly, under Ryan for the next 2 yrs. Suddently, the goal posts move and "his budget is only valid for one year, the next one" is no longer operative.

First, the budget does not cut spending because it does not deal with the increased military commitments. Fighting all these extra wars in Iran, Syria, Mali, Yemen, etc., will not be cheap and is not a part of the budget.

Second, all budget are meaningless after the first year because they cannot bind Congress to do anything. Reagan found this the hard way when he raised taxes but found that the projected cuts never appeared.

Straight out of ass.

It is reality. The US is already moving much of its fleet to the Middle East and is talking up the South China Sea conflicts. There is talk of even going back into the Philippines. And the North African and Central Asian activities are heating up and taking up more and more money to fund. I suggest that you take a look about the plans for Syria and Iran some time.

I didn't dispute this, as you know because you said "romney ryan continue to be a poor draw." THat turned out to be bullshit so now you're back to just Romney pre-Ryan.

Fair point but I have yet so see Romney campaign on his own or Romney/Ryan get a third of what Obama usually gets when he makes the same type of speech. Obama gets 14K showing up for a major speech, which is down but still far better than the 3K that Romney/Ryan get. The funny thing is that Ryan seems to get more people showing up than Romney does because there is no excitement at all for Romney.

"Stormfront founder: Ron Paul’s views ‘coincide with ours’ on most issues"

I can't believe you even dispute this. You look like such a fool.


I think that your own citation is very clear. We read, “He’s clearly not a white nationalist, he does not have the same worldview we do,” Black told Cenk. “But we agree with his stand on the issues, which we believe are heartfelt, coincide with ours. I might prefer that he understand the racial issues that we deal with a little more than he does.”

Note the, 'he does not agree with us on race' point? I think that it is you who is looking like a fool. The fact is that Dr. Paul stands for individual liberty. The fact that there are many groups on the left and the far right that agree with him on some of the issues is not surprising. And not scandalous.

Hahahaha, you're so ignorant. I thought you had been sufficiently embarrased by that remark by now. Show me the evidence Saddam had any tanks or automatic weapons(in any large quantity) given to him by the US. I was a medic in Desert Storm and travelled all through eastern Iraq and all of Kuwait. I saw mountains of tanks and weapons. Never saw a single US made tank or weapon.

The weapons came through intermediaries, just as much of the funding did. The fact that the US has funded dictators that it turned on is not a secret and never has been.

http://cdn.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/buddies.jpg

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/files/images/090709_gaddafi.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39963000/jpg/_39963751_blair_ap203index.jpg

In fact it is well known even in the Western MSM you are now working with al Qaeda in Syria and funded al Qaeda in Libya.


 
At 8/23/2012 2:13 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

That's not what you said. You really like to dissemble, don't you Vange? Saddam's WMD program was assembled from countries all over the globe.

Saddam got weapons from the US and US proxies to fight a war against Iran. That has been established and no amount of spin on your side will change the facts.

"Where did they say that?"

YOU said it.


I think that you misinterpret things when it suits you. And avoid the actual facts as you try to divert attention to minutiae.

"It certainly did a better job on the CIA involvement with the drug trade than CNN or Fox."

So that answers the question. Pretty much everything you spew here regarding the US foreign policy is kooksville. Your master Ron Paul must be so proud.


As I have pointed out, you can ignore reality if you wish but not the consequences of that reality. Romeny/Ryan are fake conservatives who are just as much in favour of big government as Bush was. In fact, even if we were to be naive and accept Ryan's claims we would find out that his vision would consume 2% more of GDP than Clinton did in his last year in office. If you really cared about spending perhaps you should look to bringing back Slick Willie or his evil queen.

 
At 8/23/2012 3:20 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"Saddam got weapons from the US and US proxies to fight a war against Iran. That has been established and no amount of spin on your side will change the facts."

Speaking of spin, show me where Saddam received tanks and automatic weapons from the US.

SHOW ME or admit you're a liar.

You can't.

"I think that you misinterpret things when it suits you." And avoid the actual facts as you try to divert attention to minutiae."

So you are pretending you never stated the Iranian elections of 2009 were fraudulent? You're either senile or a liar. And I'm not diverting to any minutiae. I'm just pointing the evidence that you're a nutter who gets his information from communist think tanks, Lew Rockwell type kook sites, and despotic propaganda machines that have one thing in common: unhinged anti-Americanism.

"In fact, even if we were to be naive and accept Ryan's claims we would find out that his vision would consume 2% more of GDP than Clinton did in his last year in office."

I'm happy to head in the direction Ryan/Romney are pointing. More Tea Party GOP types in Congress can add more pressure to make further cuts. There's a strategy for moving the ball up the field.

Your master Ron Paul's "strategy" is to sit up on his high horse pointing fingers, whooping up the white supremacist conspiracy nut jobs, while larding up spending bills with pork.







 
At 8/23/2012 3:32 PM, Blogger Paul said...

"First, the budget does not cut spending because it does not deal with the increased military commitments. Fighting all these extra wars in Iran, Syria, Mali, Yemen, etc., will not be cheap and is not a part of the budget."

You forgot to account for the increased spending due to extraterrestrial invasion.You are just fluffing up your bullshit right now, Vange.

"I suggest that you take a look about the plans for Syria and Iran some time."

Right. Got a link from some communist/islamofascist website I can peruse?

"Note the, 'he does not agree with us on race' point? I think that it is you who is looking like a fool."

His racist newsletters from the '90s say otherwise. I'm not saying Paul is as racist as a KKK member would prefer, however. He is sufficiently racist and nutty conspriacy-minded to be the candidate of choice for the premiere white supremacist think tank.





 
At 8/23/2012 3:33 PM, Blogger Paul said...

Correction: "So you are pretending you never stated the Iranian elections of 2009 were fraudulent?"

Meant to say, "so you are pretending you never stated the Iranian elections of 2009 weren't rigged?"

 
At 8/23/2012 4:01 PM, Blogger Ron H. said...

Paul

"Stormfront founder: Ron Paul’s views ‘coincide with ours’ on most issues"

I'm not sure this article makes the points you wish it to. Don Black clearly stated about rep. Paul:

"He’s clearly not a white nationalist, he does not have the same worldview we do," Black told Cenk. "But we agree with his stand on the issues, which we believe are heartfelt, coincide with ours. I might prefer that he understand the racial issues that we deal with a little more than he does."

"Black said he was convinced that Paul did not write the racist newsletters, which he described as “over-the-top hyperbole,” and that they did not reflect the congressman’s views. He described the racist language in the newsletters as “typical hyperbole, cutesy little things that somebody came up with, whoever it was, trying to appeal to Ron Paul’s paleo-conservative base.

 
At 8/23/2012 4:55 PM, Blogger Paul said...

Hey Ron,

"Black said he was convinced that Paul did not write the racist newsletters,"

He just signed his name to them and collected the checks...but he didn't know what was in them? Come on, he's not that befuddled. :)


".. which he described as “over-the-top hyperbole,”

I would describe them as racist, as would any of the targeted groups.


"..and that they did not reflect the congressman’s views."

He put out newsletters under his name, but they didn't reflect his views.

"He described the racist language in the newsletters as “typical hyperbole, cutesy little things that somebody came up with, whoever it was, trying to appeal to Ron Paul’s paleo-conservative base."

Don Black might think they're cutesy, but he's *cough* a white supremacist... And what does that say about paleo-conservatives like Vange that this was considered catnip for them?

 
At 8/23/2012 5:32 PM, Blogger Ron H. said...

Paul

"He just signed his name to them and collected the checks...but he didn't know what was in them? Come on, he's not that befuddled. :)"

You are arguing with the words of a white supremecist in an article you used as a reference. I only suggested that the article might not be the best support for the idea that Klan members support Ron Paul as a fellow racist.

It's not clear what Ron Paul views Stormfront DOES share, but white nationalism doesn't seem to be one of them.

 
At 8/23/2012 5:47 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

Speaking of spin, show me where Saddam received tanks and automatic weapons from the US.

SHOW ME or admit you're a liar.

You can't.


Spider's Web: The Secret History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq

So you are pretending you never stated the Iranian elections of 2009 were fraudulent? You're either senile or a liar. And I'm not diverting to any minutiae. I'm just pointing the evidence that you're a nutter who gets his information from communist think tanks, Lew Rockwell type kook sites, and despotic propaganda machines that have one thing in common: unhinged anti-Americanism.

All elections are fraudulent. Look inside your own country for perfectly good examples. I have written in the past that the elections in Iran would have gone differently had not Bush helped Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hang on the power but I think that is a different issue.

I'm happy to head in the direction Ryan/Romney are pointing. More Tea Party GOP types in Congress can add more pressure to make further cuts. There's a strategy for moving the ball up the field.

Happy that they are proposing a bigger government than Clinton had? How 'fiscally conservative' of you.

Your master Ron Paul's "strategy" is to sit up on his high horse pointing fingers, whooping up the white supremacist conspiracy nut jobs, while larding up spending bills with pork.

For the record I agree with my 13 year old, who points out that Dr. Paul does not go nearly far enough and advance a Rothbardian argument. He has taken a practical approach that is designed to prevent rational people from being scared off before they can figure out the right position for themselves. The GOP as you know it is dead. And without the young people that Dr. Paul brings in it will go the way of the Whigs and Federalists that are its ancestors.

 
At 8/23/2012 6:10 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

You forgot to account for the increased spending due to extraterrestrial invasion.You are just fluffing up your bullshit right now, Vange.

The military budget was only around $700 billion in 2010. But when the "off budget" items were included the spending was near $1 trillion. Ryan does not deal with 'off budget' items and those are likely to increase as the US increases its 'global cop' role.

Right. Got a link from some communist/islamofascist website I can peruse?

No need. There is plenty of information out there even from right wing and MSM sources.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/08/21/719611/ryan-adviser-abrams-iran-war/

http://ericmargolis.com/2012/06/dangerous-games-in-syria/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32147.htm


 
At 8/23/2012 9:40 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

His racist newsletters from the '90s say otherwise. I'm not saying Paul is as racist as a KKK member would prefer, however. He is sufficiently racist and nutty conspriacy-minded to be the candidate of choice for the premiere white supremacist think tank.


Dr. Paul has never written anything racist. While someone did contribute inappropriate comments in one of his newsletters it was never approved by Dr. Paul and never reflected his own views. Actually, if you paid attention you would figure out that he is the least racist of all candidates, including Obama. If his policies were followed most of the young black men that are filling your jails would never have been arrested for drug use in the first place and all of the rules that keep poor black kids in dysfunctional schools would have been repealed.

Meant to say, "so you are pretending you never stated the Iranian elections of 2009 weren't rigged?"

Aren't your elections rigged? Why do you think that the two parties monopolize the political process?

It's not clear what Ron Paul views Stormfront DOES share, but white nationalism doesn't seem to be one of them.

That is quite clear.

 
At 8/23/2012 10:20 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"Saddam got weapons from the US and US proxies to fight a war against Iran. That has been established and no amount of spin on your side will change the facts"...

You're NOT serious are you vangeIV?

Have you checked the color of what is suppose to be the white of your eyes lately?

Are they trending towards a fecal brown color?

All of Saddam's weapons systems from the assualt rifle to the aircraft to the armor and the SAMs were Soviet/Iron Curtain products...

What Saddam did for sure get from the US was intelligence, satellite based intelligence both electronic and photographic...

Some of the more knowledgeable conspiracy freaks made claims that the CIA surreptitiously gave various starter strains of certain types of bacteria to Saddam but I don't remember anyone actually locating that 'smoking gun'...

 
At 8/24/2012 9:31 AM, Blogger VangelV said...

You're NOT serious are you vangeIV?

Have you checked the color of what is suppose to be the white of your eyes lately?

Are they trending towards a fecal brown color?

All of Saddam's weapons systems from the assualt rifle to the aircraft to the armor and the SAMs were Soviet/Iron Curtain products...

What Saddam did for sure get from the US was intelligence, satellite based intelligence both electronic and photographic...

Some of the more knowledgeable conspiracy freaks made claims that the CIA surreptitiously gave various starter strains of certain types of bacteria to Saddam but I don't remember anyone actually locating that 'smoking gun'...


Saddam got his weapons from sales by American allies such as Israel and Egypt because the US wanted Saddam to attack Iran even as the Reagan Administration was selling weapons to Iran directly in violation of American laws. The arms market is quite robust and has always been robust but there was an embargo and the USSR was working to try and gain control Iran. Not only did the US arrange for Iraq to get tanks, artillery, small arms, etc., it also shipped, if the US Senate is to be believed, chemical and biological material that could be used as weapons or used to produce weapons.

And stop pretending that there was no support for Iraq during the 1980s. Even the compliant American MSM was reporting on that support and there are numerous books and articles on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/arison/banking.htm

You can choose to believe what you want to believe but that will not make that belief true. The facts are what they are. End of story.

 

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