A cautious step in the right direction: all he's proposing is forced treatment for nonviolent first-time drug offenders, not any repeal of drug criminalization in the first place. But by using stronger language to diagnose the problem, ie actually calling it a "failure," he's at least acknowledging the problem, even if his proposed solution is only a small step in the right direction.
It's up to the population to repeal. If you're on a jury (and if you're in criminal court, it's likely a drug case), refuse to convict - even if they're selling to children. Nullify, nullify, nullify, nullify. It's one of the last freedoms still upheld by the supreme court. Don't let it go to waste.
"Globally, drug use is not distributed evenly and is not simply related to drug policy, since countries with stringent user-level illegal drug policies did not have lower levels of use than countries with liberal ones"
education works, not jails.
better, education is compatible with a free society that respects the inalienable right and liberty of it's citizens, whereas your "war on everyhting" treat them as subjects in need of ruling because they are too stupid to make their own choices.
you would have felt right at home in italy in the 30's peak.
" I guess, laws reflect a "totalitarian government" to you. "
totalitarian laws that violate the rights of the innocent do. in fact, that's the definition.
jackbooted thugs always hide behind "the law".
and you rejoinders are going nowhere.
i give you a link to a detailed study showing no link between tough drug laws and usage patterns and have repeatedly given you the data from portugal and the netherlands.
to that you reply "nuh-uh" and claim victory.
good luck with that.
it's very difficult to see with your head in the sand.
Morganovich, all you've shown me is how desperate you are by declaring drug laws are bad, and citing studies that contradict U.S. data.
You cite biased studies, including from the WHO (which is also pro-socialized medicine, ranking U.S. health care below Cuba), and Cato (a libertarian institute).
You also cite studies that have nothing to do with decriminalization on drug use, or omit prevention and treatment factors.
Of course, some people, like Methinks, believe epidemics are good, e.g. to control population.
Wow. Peak is desperately clawing at the bottom of the barrel. First he murdered logic, then came lies with statistics, and now we have strawmen so weak they can be blown apart by whistling. Anything for the police state, eh?
A cautious step in the right direction: all he's proposing is forced treatment for nonviolent first-time drug offenders, not any repeal of drug criminalization in the first place. But by using stronger language to diagnose the problem, ie actually calling it a "failure," he's at least acknowledging the problem, even if his proposed solution is only a small step in the right direction.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what happens without a War on Obesity.
ReplyDeleteIt's up to the population to repeal. If you're on a jury (and if you're in criminal court, it's likely a drug case), refuse to convict - even if they're selling to children. Nullify, nullify, nullify, nullify. It's one of the last freedoms still upheld by the supreme court. Don't let it go to waste.
ReplyDeleteGov. Christie says the logical thing, but is not implementing the medical marijuana law passed by the legislature and signed by the previous Gov.
ReplyDeleteGov. Christie says the logical thing, but is not implementing the medical marijuana law passed by the legislature and signed by the previous Gov.
ReplyDelete"I wonder what happens without a War on Obesity."
ReplyDeletebetween folks like michele obama and bloomberg, it's coming.
i suspect it will be about as successful as the war on drugs.
Morganovich, it's here. And it's not working. I'm sure you're shocked.
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ReplyDeletePUT DOWN THE BIG GULP AND COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM!
Morganovich says: "i suspect it will be about as successful as the war on drugs."
ReplyDeleteYes, there would be much fewer fat Americans and much fewer fatter fat Americans.
Of course, some people, like Methinks, believe epidemics are good, e.g. to control population.
peak-
ReplyDeletewhat a surprise. once more you line up behind totalitarian government tell us what is best for us and forcing compliance.
the drug war has not worked. the us has some of the highest usage rates in the world.
if drug wars worked, you would expect a negative correlation between strict laws and usage.
instead, we see none.
http://alcoholism.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=alcoholism&cdn=health&tm=68&f=00&su=p284.13.342.ip_&tt=2&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/%3Frequest%3Dget-document%26doi%3D10.1371%252Fjournal.pmed.0050141
"Globally, drug use is not distributed evenly and is not simply related to drug policy, since countries with stringent user-level illegal drug policies did not have lower levels of use than countries with liberal ones"
education works, not jails.
better, education is compatible with a free society that respects the inalienable right and liberty of it's citizens, whereas your "war on everyhting" treat them as subjects in need of ruling because they are too stupid to make their own choices.
you would have felt right at home in italy in the 30's peak.
Morganovich, why don't you accept the truth rather than propaganda and idealism?
ReplyDeleteI guess, laws reflect a "totalitarian government" to you.
Yet, you don't mind taxes and regulations, and worse, when pounding your square pegs into round holes.
Decriminalization leads to more drug use.
ReplyDeleteTruth, Justice, and the American Way.
peak-
ReplyDelete"
I guess, laws reflect a "totalitarian government" to you. "
totalitarian laws that violate the rights of the innocent do. in fact, that's the definition.
jackbooted thugs always hide behind "the law".
and you rejoinders are going nowhere.
i give you a link to a detailed study showing no link between tough drug laws and usage patterns and have repeatedly given you the data from portugal and the netherlands.
to that you reply "nuh-uh" and claim victory.
good luck with that.
it's very difficult to see with your head in the sand.
Morganovich, all you've shown me is how desperate you are by declaring drug laws are bad, and citing studies that contradict U.S. data.
ReplyDeleteYou cite biased studies, including from the WHO (which is also pro-socialized medicine, ranking U.S. health care below Cuba), and Cato (a libertarian institute).
You also cite studies that have nothing to do with decriminalization on drug use, or omit prevention and treatment factors.
peak-
ReplyDeleteif you have issue with the data, point it out. you just try to blame the source because you cannot speak to the actual figures.
i note you still have not provided even the beginnings of a description of the justification for your position.
by what standard that is consistent across all products and services ought the government be allowed to ban drugs?
you just keep ducking the issue because you do not have an answer.
you just claim over and over to be on the side of right when, in fact, you are on the side of tyranny.
this country was founded on the inalienable rights and liberty of the individual, not such privileges as peak trader's emotions feel we should have.
you position is internally inconsistent and morally indefensible.
you are just too biased and bigoted to see it.
Of course, some people, like Methinks, believe epidemics are good, e.g. to control population.
ReplyDeleteWow. Peak is desperately clawing at the bottom of the barrel. First he murdered logic, then came lies with statistics, and now we have strawmen so weak they can be blown apart by whistling. Anything for the police state, eh?
The U.S. is also losing the war on Obesity.......
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