"Ironically, the best therapy [for higher oil prices] is a higher oil price. It makes it profitable to bring into production more costly resources around the world. The rise in recent years to $100-plus a barrel is a godsend. Peak oil theorists are being refuted; so are greenies who imagined a towering oil price would usher in a carbon-free future. The opposite is seen to be true. Oil sands, shale hydrocarbons and even biofuels have been made profitable with existing technology, and of course technology can be counted on to advance.
A higher price not only elicits the new supplies to satisfy Indian and Chinese motorists; it helps to distribute production more broadly around the globe and lets the world be less dependent on cheap Mideast oil.
Gasoline is the most visible price in the economy, and its gyrations cause the juju men in Washington and elsewhere to do crazy things, if not so crazy when understood that their real goal is to receive praise and ward off blame for the behavior of energy prices. But the price mechanism itself is still America's real energy policy, thank God.
One last thing: In the past 100 years, the real price of gasoline, in current 2011 dollars, has spent almost all its time between $2 and $4 (see chart above, data here). So today's price is hardly the end of the world."
I think we will see huge amount of capital and smart people move into the energy sector, and we will see gluts of energy in the future. The longer we see $100 a barrel, the longer the future gluts will last.
ReplyDeleteIf we can get the GOP to forsake ethanol, and get the Dems out of wind and solar, the future looks bright.
The thing is happening to my wages, between $4 and $2.
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Lakshman Achuthan, co-founder of the Economic Cycle Research Institute, said on Friday that his research firm is sticking with the forecast it made in September:
A new recession is inevitable, despite improvement in high-profile economic indicators, such as job creation and unemployment, and a stock market rally.
ECRI is one of the more widely respected firms on economic recessions, as it has never been wrong when forecasting that a recession would start, or failed to predict a recession well before it was widely accepted.
Achuthan predicts the recession will happen even without a new shock to the economy, such as a spike in oil and gas prices or a Greek sovereign debt default sparking a financial meltdown.
If those things occur, he says they will simply make an inevitable recession more painful.
In fact, Achuthan said data gathered since his September forecast only confirms his view that economic growth has slowed to such a degree that a downturn is now unavoidable, likely by late summer.
Even ECRI's own leading indicators have been showing steady improvement since October.
"Job growth always follows consumer spending growth, not the other way around," Achuthan said.
That doesn't necessarily mean the economy will start losing jobs again by this summer, when he expects the recession to start.
He said hiring can continue in the early months of a downturn, but there will definitely be job losses ahead.
This Is Small Business in America: Burdened, Crushed, Doomed
ReplyDeleteIf you make it increasingly costly and risky to open a small enterprise, then no wonder unemployment remains high
Using 2000 as a base year, just a straight CPI-U correction shows the range to be between $1.00 and $3.50.
ReplyDeleteCurrently it's about $2.50, which is the fourth highest price in the history going back to 1920. The other three highest prices occurred in the last approx. 3 years.
Here is an article how the price of oil either speeds up or slows the rate of innovation in energy.
ReplyDeleteIt is quite dismissive of peak oil nuts.
Despite all the whining, actions matter more than words.
ReplyDeleteUnless a large number of people are actually arranging a carpool to save gas, they are not being pinched yet.
Arranging a carpool is the minimum threshold one has to cross before they can say oil prices are pinching them.
Everything else is just the whining of a fat, pampered populace.
Recession, depression, and then recession in depression?:
ReplyDeleteRecession risk unless oil prices fall further
8/12/2011
The warning signal flashing is what economists call the “oil expense indicator”: the share of oil expenses as a proportion of worldwide gross domestic product (GDP) — oil prices times oil consumption divided by world GDP.
Since 1965, this has averaged roughly 3 percent of GDP, and it has only exceeded 4.5 percent during three periods: in 1974, between 1979 and 1985 and in 2008.
Each period has seen severe global recessions.
If it (oil) is too high for too long, the results are dramatic.
Using the oil expense indicator, economists say Brent crude, the international oil benchmark, would need to be in the low $90s per barrel to be under the 4.5 percent danger mark.
In fact, Brent hit a two-and-a-half-year high of more than $127 per barrel in April and...has been over $100 for six months.
the more i think about it, the more specious this argument looks.
ReplyDeleteby this logic, high corn prices should be great too as they encourage more cultivation, research into higher yielding strains, and productivity enhancers.
you could say this about a high price in any commodity.
but it misses the larger point that the high prices are an issue in the near term.
A higher price not only elicits the new supplies to satisfy Indian and Chinese motorists; it helps to distribute production more broadly around the globe and lets the world be less dependent on cheap Mideast oil.
ReplyDeleteWhat new supply? After hundreds of billions in spending the world is still producing less light sweet crude than it did in 2005. Oil is not priced higher because American driving has collapsed and demand has fallen.
But the price mechanism itself is still America's real energy policy, thank God.
Nonsense. If that were the case the gas rig count would collapse because nobody wants to sell a product for $3 if it costs $7 to produce. But if you listen to the interviews and conference calls you find that the CEOs of the shale companies have no choice. If they stop drilling the left side of the Balance Sheet will have to be written down. Since the right side will not go down most companies would quickly find themselves in Chapter 11 bankruptcy. That would not happen if the price mechanism were driving the energy policy.
and of course technology can be counted on to advance.
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Not always. A recent claim that neutrinos coulc sometimes exceed the spped of light has been withdrawn.
F still equals MA, so while we may get incrementally better at applying F, each increment is going to cost more than the last.
Same goes for finding the fuels that we need to make the F.
As for current high gas pries, the best idea I have heard is to eliminate the various blends that are required for different seasons and areas and settle on just one blend for a few years - until the energy glut happens.
If you make it increasingly costly and risky to open a small enterprise, then no wonder unemployment remains high
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Nonsense.
Subtract out the job lossses from small businesses that fail, and their job creation looks far less stellar.
For those businesses that do survive, it is often ten years or more before they have as many as ten employees. Looking to small business for big job grwth in the short run is a fool s idea.
The vast majority of working Americans work for a few thousand large companies, and the most successfule new large companies are successful largely because the do not, or do not need to, hire a lot of Americans.
kmg is correct.
ReplyDeleteCarpools are not yet popular because they are still more expensive to operate than the cost of the gas they save.
It is quite dismissive of peak oil nuts.
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OK, so we can have more energy when the price is high enough.
Then the question is who can afford to buy it?
As far as the economy is concerned, running out of oil and running out of the ability to buy it are much the same.
If I can work 10 acres a day with my tractor and 3 acres a day with my mules, how much does diesel have to go up before I park the tractor?
by this logic, high corn prices should be great too as they encourage more cultivation, research into higher yielding strains, and productivity enhancers.
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And it will. Expect lots of fallow acreage to gt planted in corn and soybeans this year. I may swap over myself.
But, don't expect infinite returns from new technology. There are limits to how many plants you can put in a field, and how much product you can take from them.
There will be improvements, but each improvement will cost a little more, and be more difficult to implement, for a smaller gain.
Of course, there is always hope for another minor miracle like cold fusion.
hydra-
ReplyDeletebut the point is that the thing that causes the response is, itself, harmful..
it's like saying that pneumonia is great because it makes the doctor come to your house.
Couldn't you logically argue that a pneumonia outbreak is great because it would encourage large amounts of doctors and researches to treat and explore cures for the disease? Whereas if only one person each year got pneumonia in the entire world, there would be little incentive to perform the R&D necessarily to develop a cure/vaccine for just that one case?
ReplyDeletebut the point is that the thing that causes the response is, itself, harmful..
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I think we agree.
higher prices will mean both more oil and less demand, until the supply and demand curves stabilize.
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ReplyDeletei'm not sure you could, which has been my point all along.
certainly, a pneumonia outbreak drives research etc, but it also kills people and causes widespread suffering and loss of productivity.
to decide if it is a good thing or not, you need to look at the costs as well as the possible benefits as well as all the things that the money that goes to such research would have otherwise been used for.
i think that high oil prices, like a pneumonia outbreak, wind up having greater costs than benefits.
morganovich
ReplyDeleteI understand where you are coming from, and agree with your point to an extent. I think your logic is certainly valid. However, despite all the costs diseases such as cancer have caused the human species, dont you think the net benefit of a cancer solution going forward would be worth it? Imagine all the future people we would save by developing a cure. Naturally it takes decades of cancer damaging our species in order to justify and fuel the mass R&D required to find a cure, but alas ultimately one will be found.
It is a tough call to make that is probably subjective depending on individual values. Not sure we will be able to come to a concise conclusion.
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ReplyDeleteRyan: "It is a tough call to make that is probably subjective depending on individual values. Not sure we will be able to come to a concise conclusion."
ReplyDeleteIt depends on whether your view is strictly positivist - that is the end justifies the means, and any cost/benefit analysis that results in a net positive is a good thing - or you believe there are objective moral values, like killing a human being is a bad thing, and you wouldn't be ecstatic that people were dropping like flies from pneumonia, even though you suspected a cure would be found as a result.
A test of your view might be for you to visit terminal cancer patients, and remind them that their pending demise is a good thing, as they are helping bring a cure closer to reality. If you enjoy this activity, then you are justified in you view that it's the result that count.
We may also be grateful for the 30-40 thousand people who die each year on US highways, as their contributions have advanced auto safety by orders of magnitude. Something that wouldn't have happened otherwise.