Wednesday, October 26, 2011

More Research Showing Nat Gas Cleaner Than Coal

Following up on this recent CD post about how the media has been giving much greater coverage to a Cornell University research report that found the environmental impact of natural gas to be more harmful than coal, and much less coverage to a report from Carnegie-Mellon University that came to the opposite conclusion:

WASHINGTON – "Six months removed from the release of the paper from researcher-activists at Cornell attempting to argue that the production and consumption of coal was better for the environment than natural gas from shale, new data and research rebutting and correcting those unsubstantiated claims continues to roll in. The latest shoe to drop? A detailed analysis from researchers at the University of Maryland that takes a closer look at the GHG profile of natural gas derived from shale when used in the electricity sector."

From the abstract of the University of Maryland paper

"We show that for electricity generation the greenhouse gas impacts of shale gas are 11% higher than those of conventional gas, and only 56% that of coal for standard assumptions."

MP: In other words, the researchers at Maryland found that the greenhouse gas impacts of coal are almost twice the impacts of natural gas for electricity generation.

15 Comments:

At 10/26/2011 1:35 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

this is pretty silly. When you are in Lowes or Home Depot which is fueling the forklifts?

Natural gas does not require mountaintop removal nor does it generate mercury.

 
At 10/26/2011 2:15 PM, Blogger Zachriel said...

Natural gas in the atmosphere is a much stronger greenhouse gas, but burning natural gas releases less greenhouse gas for equivalent energy. The question, then, is how much fugitive gas is released during the manufacture of natural gas. The previous study assumed a high rate of natural gas emissions during extraction. If the process is carefully controlled, then natural gas should be friendlier to the climate.

 
At 10/26/2011 2:53 PM, Blogger VangelV said...

MP: In other words, the researchers at Maryland found that the greenhouse gas impacts of coal are almost twice the impacts of natural gas for electricity generation..

Once again you look only at the surface and fail to account for the actual reality. The researchers assume that the EURs and depletion estimates are correct and go from there. But if those estimates are not correct and the life of wells is in line with the production data shale gas may turn out to be much worse because it is not economic.

 
At 10/26/2011 3:11 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"Natural gas does not require mountaintop removal nor does it generate mercury"...

What do you care about 'mountaintop removal'?

Did some coal company steal 'YOUR' mountaintop?

Secondly you have NO credible source on the alledged mercury contamination...

 
At 10/26/2011 3:16 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

Juandos your ignorance is astounding and regrettable.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10216/1077396-455.stm

Mountaintop removal has caused irreversible harm, researchers say

 
At 10/26/2011 3:44 PM, Blogger juandos said...

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At 10/26/2011 3:52 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

geeze juandos.. can you form words?

 
At 10/26/2011 4:33 PM, Blogger juandos said...

larry the chump says: "Juandos your ignorance is astounding and regrettable" yet as usual brings nothing 'factual or credible' to substantiate his comments...

From the larry link: Despite mining company and government efforts to restore ecosystems, surface-mined areas suffer damages that are effectively permanent, said Dr. Keith Eshleman, a professor at the University of Maryland.

The scientists were in town for a weeklong conference of the Ecological Society of America. The research they presented Tuesday was some of the first that provided ecological data on mountaintop mining, Dr. Eshleman said...

Gosh! Where have I seen that collection of frauds before?

Oh yeah! The Kaibab Deer Incident

There was something else about this collection 'tax leechers' also...

I remember!

Thy're part and parcel of the fraudulent, man made global warming scam clowns...

 
At 10/26/2011 4:36 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"geeze juandos.. can you form words"...

Well the real question for larry g is can he read and comprehend simple English...

 
At 10/26/2011 4:48 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

re:
Western Institute for Study of the Environment

the folks who Juandos relies on ....for his 'science'.

from the 990:

total revenue = 1487.75

organizations address:

33862 Totem Pole Road

Directors:

Michael Dubrasich

address: 33862 Totem Pole Road

this is the "science" that Juandos is citing as "exposing" the other scientists..

ha hahahah

you are so BOGUS boy.

 
At 10/26/2011 5:15 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"this is the "science" that Juandos is citing as "exposing" the other scientist"...

Whereas lazy larry could've easily looked up the Kaibab Deer Incident and found many more lofty descriptions of the fraudulent science foisted off by the ESA...

In my attempt to find a 'simple English' version for lazy larry I used that particular source...

So thanks for playing lazy larry and isn't it time for you be trolling wikipedia some more to bolster your delusional preconceptions?

 
At 10/26/2011 5:21 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

"lazy Larry" found the science that Juandos uses...

and that science consists of one guy who calls himself the Western Institute....

this is the authoritative alternative science references that he uses to rebut real science.

I'm appalled and shocked... as well as deeply disappointed.

ruined my dinner ...

fouled my wine...

geeze

 
At 10/26/2011 8:09 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"and that science consists of one guy who calls himself the Western Institute"...

Ahhh, so larry isn't only lazy but a liar too!

"this is the authoritative alternative science references that he uses to rebut real science"...

Excellent... So now lazy larry not only thinks he knows who Michael Dubrasich is but also has hard time figuring out how to find info...

Try these lazy larry if you can pull yoursel from one of those Obamavilles that are springing up:

Predation: Lies, Myths, and Scientific Fraud

The Kaibab Deer Incident: A Long Persisting Myth

 
At 10/26/2011 8:37 PM, Blogger Larry G said...

jandos.. you're slipping guy.

the first link is basically yet another "impostors of science" live among us...

your second link goes to a CD Marcus Shale post...

how about around 2000 separate scholarly articles on the impacts?

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=impacts+of+mountaintop+removal&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

all of them are bad science?

 
At 10/29/2011 9:50 PM, Blogger HydrogenMechanic said...

@Jaundos, dude you really need to ignore him. Larry sits around in front of his computer in his moms basement in his Star Wars pajamas waiting for people to take bis weak a$$ bait. All he really wants is affirmation of his sef-indulgant mindset that he's got himself a really big brain. Prolly got that way after twelve plus years of garbage can dunkings, and financing the lunches of jocks.

 

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