Tuesday, November 03, 2009

We Shouldn't Copy Europe's Mistakes on Healthcare



In this video released today by the Center for Freedom and Prosperity Foundation (CF&P), Eline van den Broek of the European Independent Institute warns that European-style healthcare is the wrong approach and that problems in the U.S. healthcare system are the result of too much government intervention already.

In "Don't Copy Europe's Mistakes: Less Government Is the Right Way to Fix Healthcare," Ms. van den Broek specifically notes that universal health coverage is not the same as universal healthcare, that insurance mandates mean more government control, and that price controls simply do not work. Ms. van den Broek explains that the "right to healthcare" in Europe often really means the "right to get in a waiting line."

19 Comments:

At 11/03/2009 8:50 AM, Anonymous Peter said...

How can the free market alone provide health care access to any citizen in need?

 
At 11/03/2009 9:18 AM, Blogger W.E. Heasley, CLU, LUTCF said...

Peter:

The question you ask is based on the view of Health Insurance being an entitlement or the view of Freedom of Choice in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

In the final analysis, US Health Care and US Health Insurance works fine for 80% of people. The issue is the other 20% of people. Sub-issues exist regarding price, voluntary uninsured, tort reform, etc..

However, you don’t Socialize medicine in order to solve a problem regarding 20% of the people. You also do not Socialize medicine with Increased Taxes.

Recalling/scrapping the current Socialized Medicine Schemes and going back to the drawing board is likely the right course of action.

 
At 11/03/2009 9:33 AM, Blogger Colin said...

The free market alone will not provide every citizen with health care. But it will cover the overwhelming majority. For the rest we should use a voucher type system -- similar to food stamps to ensure no one starves.

 
At 11/03/2009 10:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love it when US based lobby groups sponsor European critics.

What they forget, and this video does not tell you, is that Europeans are happy with their healthcare systems. Widespread polling confirms this, video notwithstanding.

These are democracies. That means, people have voted for their systems. You can always find someone critical of their system, but the polling shows they are very happy with theirs. Dah. Are you happy with yours?

 
At 11/03/2009 10:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love it when leftists assume that everyone agrees with them.

What they forget, and this video does not tell you, is that Europeans are happy with their healthcare systems.

What you forget, is that Americans are happy with their health care. Widespread polling confirms this, your misinformed comment not withstanding.

What is it with leftists slavish devotion to the state?

Yes, the vast majority of us are happy with our system and believe that the reforms suggested in the video would only serve to improve it.

 
At 11/03/2009 11:57 AM, Blogger juandos said...

"What they forget, and this video does not tell you, is that Europeans are happy with their healthcare systems. Widespread polling confirms this, video notwithstanding"...

Well you may have a point anon so if what you want is socialist, Euro-Weasel style health care how come you don't move to Europe?

How come we as a nation can't seem to remember the past lessons?

 
At 11/03/2009 12:14 PM, Blogger juandos said...

From the Heritage Foundation:

How Many Americans Could End Up on the Public Health Plan? A Look at the Estimates

November 2, 2009

by Greg D’Angelo
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Health Care Reform and the Threat to the Dollar

November 2, 2009

by J.D. Foster, Ph.D.

 
At 11/03/2009 12:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@juandos,
I take offense at claiming I am a socialist. I probably more conservative than you are.

But, I do take offense at poking at Europeans. They have a lower cost healthcare system, have better results than we do, and we pay more for less quality. And they are happy with what they have. You say we are happy with what we have. We'll see. This is a democracy too.

 
At 11/03/2009 1:26 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"I take offense at claiming I am a socialist. I probably more conservative than you are"...

LMAO!...

Thanks, I needed the chuckle...

"But, I do take offense at poking at Europeans. They have a lower cost healthcare system, have better results than we do..."...

Thanks for not doing your homework...

 
At 11/03/2009 3:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@juandos,

This is from Fox News:

Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with their basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.

The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends than do people in other industrialized countries.

 
At 11/03/2009 4:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a free country, those who wish to help others are free to do so. If you think someone who cannot afford health care should have it, then by all means go ahead and give it to them. Just don't put your hand in my pocket in order to pay for it. I'll help the people who I choose to help, and you can help the people who you choose to help. Government-provided or mandated health care is tyranny and should be resisted by all means. If Americans don't revolt over this, they deserve the chains of slavery that are being placed upon them.

 
At 11/03/2009 4:58 PM, Blogger juandos said...

"This is from Fox News"...

Yeah, sure it is, the actual link says it all...

ROFLMAO!

"The study shows that people in the U.S. face longer wait times to see doctors and have more trouble getting care on evenings or weekends than do people in other industrialized countries"...

This couldn't in ANY way be due to government mandated paperwork could it?

Then of course there is the massive problem of the socialist health care already in place and that's impacting those patients who have had some of their earnings extorted by Uncle Sam to pay for it, right?...

Medicare Fraud: A $60 Billion Crime

Health care fraud will bankrupt US economy, say experts

How do you think these nuggets affect medical services anon?

 
At 11/03/2009 5:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@anon 4:34

It is those who do not have health insurance that are putting their hands in my pocket.

 
At 11/03/2009 5:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@anon 5:12

Thats a load of bull****.

And if the federales try to mandate that everyone buys health insurance, I'll be dropping mine and so should everyone else. Total non-cooperation is the proper response to this giant power-grab, IMO.

 
At 11/03/2009 6:05 PM, Blogger juandos said...

I have a question for you anon @ 5:58 PM, what's a load of, 'bull****''?

This, "It is those who do not have health insurance that are putting their hands in my pocket"?

So who does pay for those without health insurance if those people aren't getting covered via the extortionary tax rates of Uncle Sam?

Can you enlighten me please since I'm probably misunderstanding you?

 
At 11/03/2009 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

@juandos

I don't know, I did not claim that anyone was paying for the uninsured. That was anon 5:12. Can you treat the uninsured as one group and say that one source is paying for them?

What I have been saying is: don't tax me for other people's health care or insurance and don't mandate that I buy insurance. We all have a right to be left alone and the federales need to get that message.

 
At 11/04/2009 9:54 AM, Anonymous geoih said...

Quote from Peter: "How can the free market alone provide health care access to any citizen in need?"

Maybe you could answer this question first: How can the free market alone provide access to food to any citizen in need?


Quote from Anonymous: "These are democracies."

I love these appeals to the democracy god. What does democracy have to do with freedom and liberty? It's simply an illusion for the majority to justify relentless theft and oppression.

I'll paraphrase a famous thinker: Democracy is the illusion that my wife and I together have twice the political power as Barack Obama.

 
At 11/04/2009 11:30 AM, Blogger juandos said...

"What I have been saying is: don't tax me for other people's health care or insurance and don't mandate that I buy insurance. We all have a right to be left alone and the federales need to get that message"...

Alrighty then anon @ 11/03/2009 6:23 PM, we are singing from the same page of the same hymnal...

 
At 11/04/2009 6:28 PM, Anonymous Peter said...

"Maybe you could answer this question first: How can the free market alone provide access to food to any citizen in need?"

It can't.

 

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