Wednesday, November 04, 2009

10 Year Nominal-Real Treasury Spread Now at 2%

The spread between nominal 10-year treasuries (data) and 10-year TIPS (data) has increased to about 2% this week, up from almost 0% at the beginning of the year. The 200 basis point spread is still below the 250 basis point average during 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and the first half of 2008.

According to
Scott Grannis:

Inflation expectations have been slowly working their way higher all year, and it shows up in the combination of declining real yields on TIPS, as demand for TIPS's inflation expectation increases, and rising nominal yields, as demand for unprotected bonds declines.

I've argued many times this past year that the bond market is not the best place to go looking for signs of inflation. That's because the bond market is heavily influenced by what the Fed says and does, and the Fed is not always right about the direction of inflation. Bonds (and the Fed) tend to be late to the inflation or deflation party, and that's one way that inflation or deflation feeds on itself.

So while the bond market's inflation expectations have increased substantially this year, it is not really sending any warning signals about inflation.

MP: The current WSJ consensus forecast for inflation in June 2010 is 1.8% (with outliers Mark Nelson forecasting 4.7% and Brian Wesbury/Bob Stein forecasting 3.6%) and 1.8% again for December 2010 (with Nelson at 5.2% and Wesbury/Stein at 3.8%).

3 Comments:

At 11/04/2009 11:44 PM, Blogger Chuck said...

Maybe the bond market was pricing "ARMAGGEDON" and now is back to a "new normal" risk spread.

 
At 11/05/2009 9:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once again we need to find an expert in harspex and cut open an chicken to read its entrails, or to be more politically correct make some tea without a tea bag and see what the tea leaves on the bottom of the cup say. Either is likely as good.

 
At 11/05/2009 12:47 PM, Anonymous morganovich said...

TIPS are a lousy inflation hedge. they are indexed to CPI, which is no longer a measure of inflation, but rather a morass of preference (geometric weighting) and highly suspect equivalence (hedonic) adjustments.

tips would have done you no favors in the 2003-7 timeframe while asset prices (and cost of living) soared.

people are hedging inflation with gold and other commodities.

the tips/govvy spread has never been a useful forward predictor of inflation.

 

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